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somewhere skies

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today on summer in the skies we're

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talking to dan myrick

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writer and director of the famous 1999

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found footage phenomenon the blair witch

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project

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and now he's back with his most recent

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film

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sky man a bold and compelling study

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of the fascinating and unquestioning

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world

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of ufo subculture and the profound and

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complex journey

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new six lines were lighting up with

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reports of an alleged

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triangle shaped ufo some local residents

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claim to have seen an

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unidentified flying object just after

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sunset last evening

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with one young man even claiming to have

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been visited by what he describes as

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a sky man he didn't look human i knew he

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wasn't a human

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he has been so razor sharp focused

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i guess i just figured he was finally

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like ready to tell a story

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hgh i'm telling you it was really really

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loud

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i was standing right here and it was

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it's our magnet or what's left of it it

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was propelled somehow

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okay so what you really think that

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aliens did that i don't know what to

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think gina

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all i know is something's going on and i

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don't think it's human related

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arthur c clark once said a sufficiently

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advanced

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technology is indistinguishable from

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magic

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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dan thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies

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really happy to be here yeah i mean the

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real reason we're here today is to talk

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about your new film

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sky man before we even get to sky man

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i was wondering if maybe briefly you

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could touch on

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uh how you came to create your first

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found footage film i'm sure you're sick

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of getting this question but

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the blair witch project yeah what what

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are your thoughts on

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pioneering this kind of found footage

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genre and uh

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everything that followed after that well

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back in those days you know it was

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it was uh a place i think in

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uh you know my so-called filmmaking

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my friend ed sanchez and i had just

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graduated film school and we were

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looking for a project to do together and

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and you know truth be told blair witch

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at the time was like the cheapest thing

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that we had

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to shoot that we could probably pull off

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with the resources we had

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at our disposal and i think with the

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you know reality tv sort of just coming

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into its own in those days

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um 24 7 news and whatnot i think

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audiences were starting to become

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sensitized to that style of uh

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storytelling and that that kind of

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visual aesthetic so we thought it would

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be cool to do something

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simple and cheap but direct sort of

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primally motivated to scare people

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and so blair which sort of became the

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logical choice for us based on an idea

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we came up with in film school

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interesting and yeah i mean so much was

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spawned after that

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and i to this day i can't tell you how

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much the film

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affected me so i mean let's i guess

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your new film sky man which isn't just

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um so could you maybe tell us a little

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and style of your new film kind of

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differs from the blair witch project

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well i i knew there was going to be some

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direct comparisons to blair i mean i've

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projects over the years and most of

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which were

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kind of straight straight-up narratives

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and so with sky man i was sort of

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wanting to get back to my

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roots i i if you will just something

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simple and contained

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and um somewhat improvisational

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and a lot of the lessons i learned on

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blair witch i brought

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to bear on sky man but at the same time

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i didn't

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repeat stylistically of what blair which

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was which is a straight

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up found footage film you look at blair

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witch it's the

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it's the footage shot by the filmmakers

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so i i literally had three versions of

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the script for sky man i had a

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i had a straight up narrative version

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which would be the you know

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the five million dollar hollywood kind

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of you know

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a take on on the story and then i had a

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in the other direction i had a straight

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up found footage

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version which would be all of carl's

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tapes

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if you will which i thought was too

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reminiscent of

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blair witch and then i have the hybrid

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version which is what i ended up

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landing on which gave me the

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i think the necessary freedom to shoot

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the film

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the way the story dictated because i

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think part of what

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makes sky man interesting for me is is

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this sort of journey that carl is going

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on this sort of

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you know search for answers

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self-discovery maybe a little redemption

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um but at the same time we're kind of

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looking at carl

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as much as we are with him and i thought

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um that there is a there is a

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perspective from the filmmaker

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that we're witnessing this kind of

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chronicling of this man's

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is important so i sort of inserted

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myself sort of in this kind of earl

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morris-esque way that

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i'm bringing carl to to the world

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i am i am you know showcasing carl's

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journey and his relationship with his

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family

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through the prism of my of of of my

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camera

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and that gives me a little bit more

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uh creative freedom in that regard to

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kind of

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the desert locations and the drone shots

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that carl otherwise probably wouldn't

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have done had it been just straight up

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found footage

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so i think it allowed me to put another

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layer of

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complexity to the movie that

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that carl would not necessarily have

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done

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himself is a good example i think is

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some of the scenes

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at the ufo festivals where i as a

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filmmaker

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thought it was an interesting

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juxtaposition of carl who's very serious

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about his mission and very serious to

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find answers and

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talk to people other experiences like

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himself at these events

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but is completely out of place with all

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the kind of ufo kitchiness

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that you often find at these festivals

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when when we see him in these in these

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was an interesting and fun ability i had

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as a filmmaker watching

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carl and and and um sort of making my

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own commentary as a filmmaker

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versus um you know any other approach i

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could have taken so it ultimately ended

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i think it was necessary to write those

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two other two versions of the script to

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kind of work my brain through those two

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paths but ultimately landing on this

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kind of hybrid approach i think was the

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best for the film

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absolutely i think you said it best like

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it does give you the freedom as the

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filmmaker and

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you know a lot of people don't

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understand the creative process like

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of a scriptwriter like how many

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iterations goes through what

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exactly yeah what actually makes it when

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think you made the right choice man for

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sure and i'm sure thank you

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thank you would agree um i guess sort of

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to backtrack a little i'll get the

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technical questions out of the way here

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dan um

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what got you interested in making a

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movie about an

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alien encounter you mentioned carl he is

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your protagonist in the film who is a

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quote unquote experiencer so yeah where

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the inception of this whole idea of

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close encounters

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uh maybe abduction we don't really know

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that with carl but um yeah

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how did this all come to be well um

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you know strangely enough this is sort

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of an idea i had even before blair witch

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i grew up in the in the late 70s early

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that stuff was sort of in the zeitgeist

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um so i was sort of a product of of of

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the times and you know when i was a

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this kind of ufo club that we would go

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sort of investigate local local uh

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you know uh phenomena if you will and

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um it was always a part of my kind of

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childhood to fantasize about you know

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aliens and what it would be like and of

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course close encounters the third kind

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rather than it being sort of this

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procedural or investigative reports that

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we've seen so many times or

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is it true is it not true blah blah blah

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really what i wanted to come at is from

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an angle of

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how it affects the people how it affects

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their family and

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whether you believe in ufos or not um

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you know that carl believes it and

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that sort of driving the determination

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and his

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in his life experience having claimed

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to have been visited um is incredibly

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important to him and has had a huge

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impact on his life and i think that's

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compelling

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and a lot of these experiences are in

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the same boat

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as carl and so i just found that an

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interesting character study that i

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wanted to

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explore and it started to kind of

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materialize

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more over the last few years after my

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last film i did for a

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e which was sort of a straight up

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thriller i

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revisited this idea and literally took

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my little rv out to the desert

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in southern california and and camped

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out

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at joshua tree for several weeks and

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wrote the script outline

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for it uh because i knew i wanted to

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kind of do it in the desert and

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so yeah that that materialized shortly

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afterwards and

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and uh my producer joe rustano came on

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board and we were able to kind of get it

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going and

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and it's really one of the best

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experiences i've had making films

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it was just a lot of fun to do that's

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awesome it's always good to hear

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you know when something is that

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rewarding and i mean you mentioned the

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landscapes it was

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gorgeous seeing these joshua tree places

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and

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you know being a new york city guy

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whenever i can get out there it's just

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it's a magical magnetic

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place and it's uh no it's no surprise

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that this is where carl would go

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it really is i mean there's you can

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understand how the desert

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um has a lot of spiritual significance

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for people because when you're out there

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especially at night you're just

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blanketed by the by the stars

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um they're so vivid you know with such

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clear dry skies

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uh it's hard not to feel a connection to

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the universe and

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hard not to feel uh sort of

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insignificant

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you know as compared to the vastness of

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the sky above

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so it's no mystery to me why we see and

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hear about

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a lot of uh ufo experiences

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in these desert landscapes and um and

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visually

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you know it was kind of an allegory i

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think

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through carl's experience i mean

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if you look at some of those kind of

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drone shots

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it is you've got this guy who's sort of

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an alien in his own

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landscape right i mean it looks like

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he's on a moon base

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on mars or should say a mars base on

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mars but

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he's sort of an alien in his own in his

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own world

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and i think that visual of the desert

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helps to reinforce that

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yeah moving to the score dan um composed

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by don miggs

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and smashing pumpkins billy corgan how

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did this happen when what was it like

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working with these guys

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on your phone well the score was very

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important to me it's one of those things

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that i i again i

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much like the characters in the casting

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i wanted to resist something that was

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sort of heavy-handed

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and overly mysterious and

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spooky and yada yada yada i mean it's

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sort of the easy

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easy approach i wanted something a bit

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more character-driven

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you know with with the elements of the

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of that mystery but also

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more importantly having a sense of

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character

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and and longing and uh and this kind of

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you know almost this tinge of sadness

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with this with with

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the story with carl and his search for

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kind of meaning

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and uh i met dom niggs through my

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producer um

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and a good friend of ours christian

402
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krempel um who's producing another

403
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project of mine introduced me to don and

404
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don knew billy had worked with billy in

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the past don's a musician himself has

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his

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own band and he has a recording studio

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and he really responded to the material

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and

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we just sort of hit it off we started

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talking about this is more than just a

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ufo movie it's

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it's really about this this guy and his

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and his quest

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and i wanted i wanted the kinds of of

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songs and composition and cues that

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were as you know varied and as

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identifiable

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from a character standpoint as as any

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kind of score you do for any movie and i

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think he

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embraced that um he recruited the help

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of billy corgan

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to get involved because apparently he's

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a he's a pretty big ufo fan as well

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yeah so um so

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they they got together also with the

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help of our other composer craig hanson

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who's

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helped gone out on a lot of a lot of

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this music so we just had a really

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awesome team

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that completely understood the

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character underpinnings of the movie and

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and wrote the music that

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that identified uh carl identified his

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his his quest and his his plight and

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um and it was real a real joy to have

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that

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collaboration with them and it was i

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think the the score

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sort of stands on its own two feet as a

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result

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absolutely i can't wait i hope we'll be

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able to get that someday

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um well you can actually it's it's

447
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available on amazon music now so the the

448
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soundtrack is up there now

449
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oh perfect that's awesome i know what

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i'm doing after this

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well you mentioned character dan i'd

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love to talk a little

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about uh carl i mean michael was

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excellent in this film you know so

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immediately i start

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going and looking up everything else

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he's done and you know his his resume

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isn't that big

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but man he packed a punch in this and

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he's kind of the

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the epitome of an experiencer in my eyes

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having

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interviewed hundreds of these people

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throughout the years

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um you know i was a little hesitant when

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i saw that this film focused directly on

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an experiencer and

468
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how it would be handled but man you

469
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knocked it out of the park and you gave

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him

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so much depth so i was wondering what

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made you decide to cast

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this guy mike in the as the main

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character and how did you two work

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together

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as like a director and an actor to craft

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this character

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well i knew in the early days i mean

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you're always

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kind of faced with this decision

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whenever you make a movie like do we

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cast someone that's sort of a known

483
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quantity you know to help with financing

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or distribution or whatnot or do you go

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with an unknown which

486
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um certainly is easier in the budget but

487
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you know doesn't doesn't have the

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pr power that a name would have and um

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but i just knew on this particular film

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the kind of documentary approach i was

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taken to it i

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my instincts were telling me to go with

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an unknown so this individual wouldn't

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come

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to the screen with any pre-existing

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baggage for the audience

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um so we held a bunch of open calls in

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la i think i had four or five

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you know open calls and and oftentimes

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when i when i

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i cast i really enjoy holding open calls

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because you really find some amazing

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talent

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even if it's not for that particular

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movie or what you're casting for

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um maybe you know you put a pit in

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somebody that you'll use down the road

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but

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um in this case i i knew

510
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i knew what i didn't want not

511
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necessarily exactly what i wanted

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i knew the character is written had a

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little bit of aspergers he was on the

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spectrum

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um you know super smart in certain areas

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he was inspired by

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uh you know a story a friend of mine

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told me about a truck driver that could

519
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,840
that you at face value was like a total

520
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redneck but

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he could do the new york crossfit puzzle

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in like 15 minutes

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and you're like wow you know so that was

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sort of um kind of was my my

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inspiration for for the carl character

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along with a lot of other interviewees

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that i've i've

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i've uh read about testimonials over the

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years

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so that was sort of what i was fishing

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for but what i

532
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i knew i didn't want was like the

533
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straight-up wacko you know

534
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some crazy um stereotype

535
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:36,400
that um often gets portrayed in these

536
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sorts of of stories so you know michael

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came in

538
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and he had this sort of subtle demeanor

539
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,480
about him and this sort of childlike

540
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quality that i really liked

541
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:49,679
um he was a musician by trade

542
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very creative guy and um i had a couple

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of scenes already written for the

544
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for the movie and and one in particular

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you you

546
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if you remember at the end of the film

547
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where mike's sort of giving his last

548
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goodbye to his

549
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,480
family he's talking directly into the

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camera so

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i had mike come in on a call back

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because i liked his first read i just

553
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had him read that scene right to camera

554
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as

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00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,200
just nailed it i just said

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that's my guy and um

557
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,960
there were so many complexities about

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00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,720
his delivery

559
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,679
completely understated but yet very

560
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identifiable

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um it's a it's a really tough tough

562
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,360
subtle balance to

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to play so once i had mike then it was

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about you know

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00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,200
finding a genie that would that would

566
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complement him well and nicolette did a

567
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:40,720
wonderful job for us and

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so as we sort of locked down our core

569
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,960
leads then it was a matter for me to

570
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,520
sort of like okay how do we

571
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,720
make them uh comfortable and

572
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,880
and understand my process you know

573
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,919
because i don't

574
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,320
i don't shoot movies in a normal way and

575
00:21:03,510 --> 00:20:59,919
i got with michael i said look man

576
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,520
i i know you probably used to having a

577
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,840
call time and you you know this is and

578
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:07,840
he said no no do whatever you need to do

579
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,880
so i called him

580
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:13,120
on several occasions and we just drove

581
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,559
out to the desert

582
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,200
way early on in the process and started

583
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:18,559
just shooting scenes

584
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,240
and shooting video and and allowing him

585
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,559
to get into the character of carl and

586
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,760
figure it out

587
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,000
and make it his own while we were out in

588
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:29,760
the desert and i was just rolling camera

589
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,000
to

590
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,559
see how it looked and make tweaks and

591
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,520
and allow that

592
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,919
allow that character sort of grow inside

593
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:36,720
him

594
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,720
um and as well develop a relationship

595
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,240
you know as a filmmaker because i'm a

596
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,000
character in the movie as well i'm

597
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,120
i'm i'm i'm sort of the off-camera

598
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,600
questionnaire right that's that's having

599
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,600
and supposedly been following this guy

600
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,120
around for months so

601
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,280
i wanted to kind of method out on that

602
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,000
process and and so early on i got

603
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,360
together with michael on several

604
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,600
occasions um where we shot scenes

605
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,120
together workshop that also

606
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,960
nicolette came out we did a few scenes

607
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,400
with her so they could get to know each

608
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:07,600
other we could all get really

609
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,640
comfortable

610
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,240
where i just was sort of like this fly

611
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,880
on the wall and then we even went to

612
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,840
a couple of the ufo festivals one in

613
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,440
oregon couple times we went to the one

614
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,480
in oregon of course

615
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,720
in roswell and it was just mike and

616
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,799
myself and a camera

617
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,280
and we were in character the entire you

618
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,799
know two or three days we were there

619
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,799
shooting scenes a lot of which ended up

620
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,000
in the movie

621
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,400
uh asking questions and being in

622
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:34,720
character and it's just was a

623
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,480
a real luxury as a filmmaker

624
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,320
an artist to be able to work with an

625
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,080
actor like that that completely embraced

626
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,240
that process

627
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,799
and was able to do so we had no no

628
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,720
burden of a studio

629
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,159
telling us that we had to do this or

630
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,840
make adjustments or whatever we were

631
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,640
able to let that organically grow

632
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,640
as we were shooting it so by the time we

633
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,280
shot principal photography

634
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,559
later that year in october we were

635
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:03,360
already

636
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,960
dialed in and and it was it was great

637
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,000
that was just a real rewarding

638
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,120
um you know lovely process that i wish

639
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,640
every movie could

640
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,200
could could uh could do i could do on

641
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,039
every film

642
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,039
yeah and i mean that's the challenge

643
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,120
with these sort of fun footage

644
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
you know movies i i mean i remember

645
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,280
meeting so many actors who would tell me

646
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,120
oh yeah like i had to take actual

647
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:31,360
classes on just how to act in a found

648
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,320
footage film

649
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,080
you know as opposed to like you said a

650
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,000
big budget narrative and

651
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,559
and whatnot so i mean yeah like you said

652
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,960
that dance between actor and director is

653
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,760
always

654
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,799
really fascinating to me and um i i did

655
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:46,799
want to touch on the the festival thing

656
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,360
that was

657
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,520
really really cool it was a part that

658
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,120
really struck out to me because

659
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,919
you know as a ufo researcher i speak at

660
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,880
these things

661
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,000
um right i i was i was at

662
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,480
the roswell festival the year prior to

663
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,840
your filming of this but

664
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,799
i know that atmosphere man um when you

665
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,159
get there yeah

666
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,720
it's yeah it's interesting what do you

667
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,640
think personally about all that

668
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,240
well it's an interesting um

669
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,440
you know dichotomy

670
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,279
there's a there's a sort of paradox with

671
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,919
these festivals because on one hand

672
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,080
there's a lot of merchandising going on

673
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,799
a lot of commercialization going on

674
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,440
um a lot of people selling t-shirts and

675
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,120
there's alien costume

676
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,679
contests and so there's a real festive

677
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:35,679
atmosphere which make them a lot of fun

678
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,080
so

679
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,919
you know it's a good place to a good

680
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:39,760
time to take the family watch a parade

681
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,159
and

682
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,919
there's this other component to these

683
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,720
things which

684
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,760
are very serious you've got you've got

685
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,799
um you know travis walton giving a panel

686
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,640
on you know in at the auditorium two

687
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,799
blocks away and you're you know full ufo

688
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,520
panel

689
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,679
where a lot of people are going to you

690
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,279
know are sold out they're going

691
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
they're going to listen to people speak

692
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,480
and you know

693
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:05,840
um so there's this interesting sort of

694
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,520
uh two worlds coexisting at the

695
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,760
a lot of these festivals that i found

696
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,600
interesting and i wanted to sort of

697
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,080
bring into full relief through carl's

698
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,960
character where here's this serious guy

699
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,080
um ironically interviewed by two

700
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,559
you know self-proclaimed weirdo ufo

701
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,360
types right

702
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,320
yeah where carl is the the understated

703
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,320
one and they call him the weirdo right

704
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,600
so it's yeah so it's but i felt

705
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,320
i felt that sort of um identification

706
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,159
with carl's character where

707
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,840
you know you're a person who's not quite

708
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:43,840
fitting into the world around you you've

709
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,240
got

710
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,400
sort of this overarching mission mission

711
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,520
to find an answer

712
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,159
and um and no one's really taking you

713
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:52,559
seriously about it and that's sort of

714
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,760
he's that outcast right that a lot of us

715
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,360
um have felt and certainly a lot of

716
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,960
experiences have felt so i wanted to

717
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,039
kind of bring that into full relief

718
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,000
both visually and i think um through

719
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,000
carl's dialogue and character

720
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,039
at these festival environments that

721
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,960
um and even says himself he's like this

722
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,400
is the first festival one of these i've

723
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,360
ever been to

724
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,279
and you're like uh which i'm not

725
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,720
surprised and and

726
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,440
he's not he's obviously an introvert you

727
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,880
know probably very

728
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,440
uh you know uh has a phobia about being

729
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,679
in these big social situations but

730
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,360
you know the compulsion to go out and

731
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,760
find answers forces him to kind of go

732
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:30,640
out

733
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,240
you know uh

734
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,200
events to try to find some sort of

735
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:38,000
commonality

736
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,440
and maybe some uh you know um

737
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,600
[Music]

738
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:44,240
reaffirmation if you will um through

739
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,039
other people

740
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,919
that have had the same experiences and

741
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,640
um

742
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,600
and that's that's and i just thought an

743
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:53,120
interesting component to all this

744
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,760
because

745
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,559
there is a lot of commercialization uh

746
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,480
my personal experience

747
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,720
there's there's a lot of kitchiness and

748
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,039
um you know goofiness involved with

749
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,640
with with this whole entire subculture

750
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,480
obviously making a lot of money there's

751
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,559
a lot of crackpots out there

752
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:13,039
um and even carl himself when he's

753
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,840
showing you his

754
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,760
his sort of research library he says you

755
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:17,360
know 90 of the stuff is

756
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,120
bunk but through all the chaff there are

757
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,240
these unexplained incidents

758
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,080
and through all the chaff there are

759
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,159
there are there are

760
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,880
noteworthy events and that's i think the

761
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,760
important thing

762
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,159
to to to clarify i think with carl and

763
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,520
his experience

764
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,880
absolutely i mean we you know in this

765
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,000
field always say

766
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,480
like if even one of these cases whether

767
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,679
it's just uh

768
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,000
you know an object in the sky up to

769
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,200
claimed

770
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,919
alien abductions let's say uh if even

771
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,320
one of them is real and genuine and true

772
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,320
like that's enough and i i think you're

773
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,679
right i think that's what carl

774
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,600
all you need is one for all you need is

775
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,720
one exactly

776
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,440
yeah you know for carl it might not just

777
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,000
be this

778
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,320
one because we learned in the film that

779
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,520
his father

780
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,600
also had an experience i'd love to touch

781
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,559
on this a little

782
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,600
with you dan if that's cool um sure yeah

783
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,600
why'd you decide to add this layer to

784
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,440
the story and do you believe

785
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,000
uh that these experiences kind of do run

786
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,559
generational or within families

787
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:23,840
i i i definitely imply that

788
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,960
with carl i mean what i was

789
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,880
attempting to go for with carl's

790
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,799
characters um you know i like when

791
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,799
there's a level of ambiguity with with

792
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,640
characters because you know we're all

793
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:37,120
complicated animals or you know you

794
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,320
can't really

795
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,799
you know overly generalize too much or

796
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:41,919
you run the risk of

797
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,279
of missing out on a lot of the juicy

798
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,120
details of the human condition and i

799
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,720
think with carl

800
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,840
um it's easy to sort of like

801
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,000
stereotype him as a kind of a working

802
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,720
class redneck living in barstow

803
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,880
um but once you sort of peel back some

804
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,240
of the layers you realize oh this

805
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,279
there's some

806
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,279
interesting quirks about this guy

807
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,799
there's some interesting

808
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,880
layers to this guy that you don't see at

809
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,240
first blush and

810
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,720
um and his father is one of those layers

811
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,480
that there's there is a connection to

812
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,360
his

813
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,679
father that's obviously very sincere and

814
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:17,360
very personal to him

815
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,960
um arguably his father was like the one

816
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,640
person in his life that took him

817
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,760
seriously

818
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,840
as far as the ufo experience was

819
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,840
concerned being that he had one himself

820
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,440
according to carl

821
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,760
um and that and that understanding has

822
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,840
been lost for him his father's dead now

823
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,520
so he doesn't have that

824
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,919
he doesn't have that shoulder to lean on

825
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,559
um

826
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:41,279
as he probably did growing up and his

827
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,399
mother obviously

828
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,559
has had an issue with him regarding that

829
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,240
experience and his sister

830
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,880
as loving as she is and as tolerant of

831
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,600
him as she

832
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,880
is is a bit dismissive of his experience

833
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,159
as well and

834
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,240
um so i wanted to have this connection

835
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,000
to his past

836
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,000
connection to his father that was sort

837
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,240
of the sad tragedy that

838
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,640
that um the one person in his life that

839
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:06,640
kind of believed in him is no longer

840
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:07,600
around

841
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,880
and also a driving a motivator for him

842
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:11,919
to sort of want

843
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,440
to to to prove dad was right you know to

844
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,679
in his own world and his own exploration

845
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,279
his own search for answers at the end of

846
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,159
the movie

847
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,799
to have some level of redemption in his

848
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,320
father's eyes in his mind

849
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,240
and his family's eyes but also to kind

850
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:27,840
of you know

851
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,279
show his father wherever he may be that

852
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,320
that um he was ultimately um

853
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,600
they they weren't crazy right and so

854
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:40,000
i think that just had gave his carl's

855
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,880
character

856
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,440
a lot more kind of meaning and

857
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,919
sentimental value than just being

858
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,399
a guy you know looking to reconnect with

859
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,399
an alien there's there's more layers to

860
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:53,120
it than that and oftentimes there are

861
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,600
right

862
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,520
yeah and i think you stressed it earlier

863
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,600
too like it's a human story you know

864
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:00,159
it's about this sensational thing or

865
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,960
this uh

866
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,799
otherworldly thing but at the end of the

867
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,399
day it's about the person

868
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:07,039
having the experience yeah it often is

869
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,240
when you have these

870
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:10,559
discussions and you do these interviews

871
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,279
and you

872
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:14,880
talk to these people um you you can't

873
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,480
help but also take it into account

874
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:21,200
their world their their experience and

875
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,000
how it

876
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,760
uh how their life is influencing what

877
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,120
they've seen or not seen

878
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,640
or or what have you and there's there's

879
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,159
a there's a lot of that

880
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,720
inherent biases involved with with these

881
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,640
sorts of experiences

882
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,799
um and i just find that fascinating

883
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,840
again it's

884
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,720
it's whether you believe in what they

885
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,000
saw or not

886
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,799
is true you have to believe that they

887
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,559
believe it and there's a there's a

888
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,080
a strong powerful

889
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,960
compelling observation in that that i

890
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,399
find very interesting and

891
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,360
and which i've always drawn to drawn to

892
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,120
why people believe things as much as

893
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,480
what they're believing

894
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,640
yeah i i actually you know i can relate

895
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,399
to that being in this

896
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,760
ufo field every waking moment of my life

897
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,320
um i agree with you it is more of a

898
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,760
cultural study

899
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,559
or human case study than actually

900
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,799
figuring out what the hell these ufos

901
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:19,519
and you know paranormal phenomena

902
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,230
owls are somehow connected to ufos

903
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,440
i don't say that lightly after

904
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,840
over a decade of obsessive investigation

905
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,799
i am convinced of this connection

906
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,640
as strange as it may seem people are

907
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,399
seeing owls in the highly charged

908
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,159
moments of a ufo sighting

909
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,000
and within the challenging memories of

910
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,760
ufo abduction

911
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:48,159
this mystery has been the focus of my

912
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,440
research

913
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,519
my name is mike clelland and i have

914
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,679
explored these connections in my book

915
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,120
the messengers at its core this book is

916
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,279
simply a collection of stories

917
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,000
and each is a remarkable real life

918
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:03,600
experience

919
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:07,120
the messengers is also my own story

920
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,519
of how owls played a role in my life

921
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,760
the messengers is the first in a trilogy

922
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,120
of books

923
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,679
all my books are available on amazon in

924
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:18,480
paperback

925
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,120
ebook and very soon as audiobooks

926
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,000
well one sort of last aspect in the film

927
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:29,919
dan i'd love to touch on with you

928
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,320
is this out this idea of owls

929
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:36,159
no i won't give away too much in the

930
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,360
film but you do

931
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,480
reference a very good friend of mine and

932
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,679
colleague

933
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:44,240
about how owls play into all of this and

934
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,120
i remember

935
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,440
right when i saw that part in your film

936
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:49,760
i sent a link to the movie to

937
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,669
man i'm not gonna lie he was like you

938
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,760
gotta be kidding me um

939
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,799
so yeah we mentioned him by name i know

940
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,360
he was he was extremely touched by that

941
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,640
so yeah i'd love to

942
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,960
get your thoughts on that what what if

943
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,560
you can get if you can get him to give

944
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,159
us a quote that would be even better

945
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,320
oh absolutely i guarantee you he's going

946
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,159
to listen to this interview too so we

947
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,919
will make that happen but

948
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,480
yeah i guess we will name and not shame

949
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,079
him here that's mike clelland

950
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,480
um the the owl guy is what we call him

951
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,839
in the ufo field

952
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:28,000
did you know about his work prior or

953
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,280
what what kind of um

954
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,760
well i was doing a lot of i was doing a

955
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,560
lot of research

956
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,639
prior to the movie you know years ago

957
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,919
and i you know again i

958
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,040
sort of been you know loosely involved

959
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,119
um with a lot of this stuff for many

960
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,240
years but um

961
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,000
ran across this book as a recommended

962
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,760
reading and read it just loved it it was

963
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,399
just an amazing book and

964
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:51,119
and you know part of my approach to most

965
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,320
any movie i do

966
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,560
whether i succeed at it or not is

967
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,359
anyone's

968
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,880
argument but um you know i

969
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:02,240
i don't like to phone things in i i

970
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:06,079
like to have the details worked out i

971
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,560
mean

972
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,880
i i guess i equate it to like if you're

973
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:10,000
going to do a

974
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,720
scene in an er the greatest compliment

975
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,200
is that a doctor comes up to you says

976
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:18,240
you did it right

977
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:21,920
right so i i wanted this movie to have

978
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,040
the details worked out that ufologists

979
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:28,560
that are in the know not necessarily the

980
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,440
average on

981
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,440
moviegoer but ufologists would go you

982
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,960
did your homework

983
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,760
that's totally meaningful these little

984
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,359
nooks and crannies these little details

985
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,560
you have in here are

986
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,599
are you obviously have have um

987
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:44,320
uh you you know done your research it's

988
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:44,960
just not an

989
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:48,400
alien footprint in the sand right so um

990
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,240
so the owls the the the the messengers

991
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:55,200
was uh a fascinating book fascinating

992
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,240
read for me

993
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,520
and i i wanted and

994
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,880
admittedly a great visual uh for the

995
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
film

996
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,680
but it was a it was sort of a turning

997
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,200
point in the movie

998
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:10,079
because this is where i think in the

999
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:10,839
film where

1000
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,160
carl sort of goes all in

1001
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,440
yeah you know when not one

1002
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,800
but two owls show up at the site

1003
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:22,640
it's kind of hard to argue that there's

1004
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,320
not some kind of screen memory going on

1005
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,599
and it just reinforces

1006
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,480
what he already is kind of presupposed

1007
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,839
to believe

1008
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,160
and so when they when they make their

1009
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,160
appearance in the film

1010
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,800
that moment if if anyone has done any

1011
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,599
research

1012
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,560
in in this topic um owls are play a

1013
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,720
significant part in a lot of these

1014
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,560
a lot of these experiences um

1015
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:50,960
recollections you're like wow that is

1016
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,079
unusual for two owls just to kind of be

1017
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,839
hanging out at your campsite that

1018
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,960
at the one weekend you decide to be uh

1019
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,359
looking for your for aliens it's that's

1020
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,640
a one more little

1021
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,560
coincidence you put on the pile of

1022
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,480
coincidences that's become harder and

1023
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,800
harder to explain away

1024
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,960
and so yeah it's a turning point for

1025
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,079
carl in the movie

1026
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,520
um you know visually amazing i think as

1027
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,480
well

1028
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,160
and um our animal wrangler chris rankin

1029
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,599
is a friend of mine who

1030
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,280
she's worked on you know films of mine

1031
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:25,200
in the past she was able to

1032
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,560
to get her friend out there with a

1033
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,400
couple of owls from from from

1034
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:31,680
la and just did a wonderful job for us

1035
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,560
there but

1036
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,800
that was uh one of my favorite moments

1037
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,160
in the film we weren't sure if it was

1038
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,599
going to work or not

1039
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,000
because you're having to kind of you

1040
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,320
know wrangle trained owls

1041
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,960
but uh they look they just look amazing

1042
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,440
on

1043
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,040
really great from

1044
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,359
both carl and olo who plays his best

1045
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:52,560
friend marcus

1046
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,240
yeah absolutely i mean again yeah um

1047
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,880
those owls deserve an award man they

1048
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:59,599
freaked me

1049
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,520
out but they're so cool it added such a

1050
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,200
deep richness to

1051
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:07,599
the film for like what you said the the

1052
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,320
more

1053
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,800
i guess ufo veterans out there you make

1054
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,920
other references to

1055
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,720
valet and um you know people like this

1056
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,480
these names that we all know

1057
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,920
but you know i can't blame the

1058
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,599
mainstream public for

1059
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,079
not caring who these people are and also

1060
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,079
just never having heard of them

1061
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,760
yeah maybe not have heard of it but but

1062
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:27,920
maybe inspired to check it out what

1063
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,040
what do owls have involved with us and

1064
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,200
giant rock is a real place and the

1065
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,960
integraton is a real place it has a

1066
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,880
history of ufology and

1067
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,880
you know even at the gas pump where he

1068
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,880
lands on one one one one right that's

1069
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,000
numerology all

1070
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,520
there's a lot of overlapping um you know

1071
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,640
symbology in the film that that uh

1072
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,200
you know those that pick up on it will

1073
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,720
will appreciate and

1074
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,119
and i even have a call out to close

1075
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:56,480
encounters of the third kind i don't

1076
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,040
know if you

1077
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,359
noticed it or not but it's a little bit

1078
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:01,119
of an easter egg

1079
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,480
that um when carl is going through his

1080
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,000
newspaper

1081
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,920
and showing and reading his article to

1082
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,000
us on camera in his

1083
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,560
laundry room the author if you'll notice

1084
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,400
is roy neary who is the character in

1085
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,000
close encounters was a

1086
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,680
richard dreyfuss character and close

1087
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,280
encounter so that's my little call out

1088
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,720
to close encounters

1089
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,200
so this those little things i think are

1090
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,200
interesting and fun but also

1091
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,320
um in the spirit of having done

1092
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,880
a lot of research in this in this field

1093
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,160
um wanting to bring us

1094
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,200
a kind of a level authenticity with

1095
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,280
with a lot of the background and and

1096
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:38,800
even some of the people we interviewed

1097
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,040
and

1098
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,880
that are that play characters in the

1099
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,359
film i i'd like to move

1100
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,440
a little to more current news dan and

1101
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,560
get your thoughts

1102
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,839
on this um we seem to be living in

1103
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,720
kind of a much more accepting world i

1104
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,320
guess would be a good word um when it

1105
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,640
comes to ufos this whole

1106
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,320
new york times article that came out a

1107
00:40:03,270 --> 00:39:59,839
few years ago washington post

1108
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,280
just political all that stuff um we even

1109
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,480
are now having a new bill being drafted

1110
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200
concerning ufos this is crazy man this

1111
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,520
is like a world that us ufo people never

1112
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,480
thought we would see

1113
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,440
but it seems to be gradually changing so

1114
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,599
yeah did any of this play into your work

1115
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,280
at all throughout the process or

1116
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,560
what do you make of all this stuff

1117
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,319
happening right now

1118
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,000
well it was really sort of a happy

1119
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,800
coincidence i mean when we first started

1120
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,200
sort of

1121
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,000
kind of you know ramping up our

1122
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,480
indiegogo campaign for the early days of

1123
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:33,760
the sky man

1124
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:37,119
uh you know this is i think

1125
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,880
i want to say 2016. you know i

1126
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,359
i can't remember if that's when the tic

1127
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,640
tac videos came out

1128
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,000
with the air force or not but certainly

1129
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:51,040
you know the declassified project blue

1130
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,000
book

1131
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,400
um you know happened within the last you

1132
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,240
know a couple of years

1133
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,839
the the the air force videos certainly

1134
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,079
are pretty incredible when you look at

1135
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,920
them so a lot of

1136
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,240
you know and of course that air the area

1137
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,920
51 sort of

1138
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,000
gathering if you will yeah that that

1139
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:11,839
gathering it's a good word yep

1140
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,040
yeah yeah so so all this

1141
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,680
and i think social media in general has

1142
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,560
amplified

1143
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,920
a lot of these topics and subjects where

1144
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,160
uh the phoenix flights is probably one

1145
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:26,000
of the more recent accounts that sort of

1146
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,560
like

1147
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,720
you know kind of blew everybody away and

1148
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:30,079
so there's there's a lot of things that

1149
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,119
have happened

1150
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,079
um that sort of form this nexus of this

1151
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:35,520
resurgence

1152
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,200
in awareness and i think

1153
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,920
we just happen to be in the middle of it

1154
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:44,480
just sort of by happenstance

1155
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,079
i've always wanted to do you know movies

1156
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,920
in this space i mean i did a movie

1157
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,280
called the objective

1158
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,560
years ago uh about you know

1159
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,119
arguably an alien encounter in the

1160
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,359
war-torn hills of afghanistan so i've

1161
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,119
been sort of playing around in the space

1162
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,839
for a while but the fact that the

1163
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,040
general public and

1164
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:08,000
sort of the mainstream um and our

1165
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,520
political leaders are all sort of

1166
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:11,280
embracing it now as well it's just sort

1167
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:11,680
of

1168
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,480
interesting to see

1169
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,960
to see it bake a resurgence in recent

1170
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,839
years

1171
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,000
and uh you know how many people are

1172
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,599
taking it seriously

1173
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,720
absolutely and you know i i think as the

1174
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,880
as time goes on and it becomes more

1175
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,319
publicly

1176
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,960
acceptable let's say um yeah it'll be a

1177
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,880
whole new shift in how we

1178
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,760
view our world and and everything in

1179
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,000
between i mean this whole ufo topic

1180
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,079
you can connect it to anything religion

1181
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,200
economics

1182
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,720
um you know politics obviously

1183
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,000
yeah i think you're right i think

1184
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,079
astronomy too i mean we

1185
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,280
over the last i would say you know five

1186
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,319
to ten years you know our

1187
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,440
knowledge of earth-like planets in our

1188
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,720
own backyard

1189
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,920
um has expanded tremendously

1190
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,280
and i remember um thinking about

1191
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,200
earth-like planets in sort of the

1192
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:11,200
goldilocks zone if you will

1193
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,280
um being sort of theoretical and

1194
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,520
now we literally have thousands of them

1195
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:18,800
on record

1196
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,480
that oh here's just in our

1197
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:25,760
observational window around you know a

1198
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,079
few

1199
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,480
light years from earth we've we've

1200
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,000
managed to identify

1201
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,920
a whole ton of potential candidates

1202
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,760
that could support life right and you

1203
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,160
extrapolate that number to the vastness

1204
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,760
of the universe

1205
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,640
you just have to play the odds it's just

1206
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:43,839
almost

1207
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,040
uh you know an assured bet

1208
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,319
that there is intelligent life out there

1209
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,720
um if not at this very second that we're

1210
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:53,760
on

1211
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,280
at some point in history so to me

1212
00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:00,240
scientifically speaking it's it's it's

1213
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,800
hard

1214
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,839
not to think that there isn't something

1215
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,560
else out there wondering just like we

1216
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,359
are

1217
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:10,240
um or maybe not but but um you know

1218
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,440
whether they're

1219
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,280
showing up in our backyards and flying

1220
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:15,520
saucers or not it's open to debate

1221
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,800
but certainly um some some version of

1222
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,160
intelligent life out there

1223
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,920
seems to me a pretty sure about and

1224
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,760
that's i i think what

1225
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,680
sparks my imagination and a lot of

1226
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,280
people's imagination and

1227
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,240
these sort of increased discoveries of

1228
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,079
of earth-like planets

1229
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,720
capable potentially sustaining life i

1230
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,079
think has just helped to elevate

1231
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,200
that that in people's minds yeah

1232
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:41,119
i i think you're i think once those two

1233
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,240
can converge

1234
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:44,240
maybe we'll find some answers if they've

1235
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,440
ever actually

1236
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,359
visited but yeah you're right i mean it

1237
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,440
just these things take time and

1238
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,800
um i i do feel personally that we're on

1239
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,920
the phenomenon's

1240
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,319
timetable uh when it comes to all this

1241
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,440
when they

1242
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:59,520
quote unquote they want to be discovered

1243
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,560
but um

1244
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,400
i i'd like to get your thoughts too on

1245
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,079
this stand um like

1246
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,720
disclosure this big word that a lot of

1247
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,680
ufo people

1248
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:10,480
use of our government saying you know

1249
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,599
admitting yeah

1250
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280
you know we've known about this we've

1251
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,720
been keeping it secret

1252
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,079
blah blah blah um do you think

1253
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:20,240
at least here in the united states that

1254
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,200
our government

1255
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,920
knows what's going on in our skies when

1256
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,920
it comes to these ufos and claimed

1257
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,920
abductions and close encounters

1258
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,760
like a lot of people think in the

1259
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,000
conspiracy world there's this dark

1260
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,240
syndicate government you know hiding all

1261
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,079
these secrets and answers but uh

1262
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,680
what are your personal thoughts on that

1263
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,440
whole sweeping

1264
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
part of all that i mean i've never

1265
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,200
really been the the

1266
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,520
the deep state dark government

1267
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,560
conspiracy guy

1268
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,400
myself i mean the government's like the

1269
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,000
worst at keeping secrets and

1270
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,400
i mean getting getting you know the

1271
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,680
whole i guess you know

1272
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,520
it's circuiting into flat earth or in

1273
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,440
the moon landing on the luna hoax

1274
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,920
folks which is like it's just all those

1275
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,119
scientists and

1276
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,280
all those you know press people over

1277
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,119
many decades and people to keep

1278
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:07,200
to have everyone keep to keep such a

1279
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:08,560
huge secret it's just

1280
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,480
uh to me sort of unrealistic

1281
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,839
the the now are there events that are

1282
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,720
sort of

1283
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,119
documented as unknown and unexplained

1284
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,119
you know in the archives of

1285
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,359
you know the air force absolutely i

1286
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,680
would not would not be surprised and i'm

1287
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,920
not surprised when i see revelations of

1288
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:29,040
oh here's some

1289
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,560
sightings that we've had that we can't

1290
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,319
explain now

1291
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,480
is that some grand conspiracy to hide it

1292
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,599
from the public

1293
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:38,240
i don't think so i think it's more and

1294
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,040
look

1295
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,960
we have to take responsibility as a

1296
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:42,079
public too like

1297
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,760
the minute some authority figure in

1298
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,079
the military says look here's a ufo we

1299
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,599
think might be flying around

1300
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,640
kansas everyone freaks out right so they

1301
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,560
have to take that into consideration the

1302
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,079
response from the public

1303
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,720
um if there is any implication

1304
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:00,720
whatsoever of the unexplained but

1305
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:03,760
i i but i feel that the

1306
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,960
uh any intelligent life form out there

1307
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,720
any intelligent beings out there

1308
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,839
are probably care as little about who

1309
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:12,640
knows

1310
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,079
of them or not i don't think they're

1311
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,640
exclusively talking to the government i

1312
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,319
don't or the american government in

1313
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,040
particular

1314
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,079
i i don't any more than us as a species

1315
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,520
would would would you know uh limit our

1316
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,280
conversations to

1317
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,680
one particular species of of animal if

1318
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,440
we were to run across a new planet full

1319
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:34,559
of animals you know i

1320
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,720
i just think i think that's a bit uh

1321
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:41,440
limiting quite frankly i think if a

1322
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,319
nation

1323
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:45,839
an alien intelligence wants to be known

1324
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:49,440
we will know without a doubt we will we

1325
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,960
it will be now is there a possibility

1326
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:53,680
that

1327
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,319
traversed space and time

1328
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,400
and and are cracking the door open every

1329
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,839
now and then to check in on us

1330
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,880
that's all you know who's to say but i

1331
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,640
just find it hard to believe that an

1332
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:07,359
alien

1333
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,280
is captured and is somehow unable to

1334
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,800
to communicate beyond the confines of a

1335
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:15,680
police and

1336
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:18,559
interrogation room right so that's just

1337
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:19,359
my

1338
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,680
take on a life of their own

1339
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:26,400
and and unfortunately a lot of them can

1340
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:26,800
really

1341
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,920
muddy the water and delegitimize a lot

1342
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,559
of like

1343
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,200
really interesting experiences that have

1344
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,800
that are out there

1345
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,280
so you have to be careful what you

1346
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,319
spread and who

1347
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,800
whom you believe that everything should

1348
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,960
you know

1349
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,559
should be judged by the burden of the

1350
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,880
evidence right i mean ironically some of

1351
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:48,480
the oldest things like when i look at

1352
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:48,800
the

1353
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,240
photos um which

1354
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,400
you know gave rise to the oregon ufo

1355
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,680
fest um

1356
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,319
the trent those two trent farm photos of

1357
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,040
like the most

1358
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:02,880
like arguably most famous saucer photos

1359
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,079
in history as a photographer myself

1360
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,480
i look at those photos and i go this is

1361
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:09,680
either one of the

1362
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,040
best hoaxes ever when you look at those

1363
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,280
photos and you look at the negatives

1364
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,079
um the lighting on the object over the

1365
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,839
field over that farm field it's like

1366
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,240
it's an

1367
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,280
incredible incredible hoax

1368
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,680
one of the best ever or if something's

1369
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:26,880
flying in the sky

1370
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,760
over the trent farm i mean those are the

1371
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,400
two

1372
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,480
you know and you and you you know when i

1373
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,400
was at the ufo fest with michael we

1374
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:37,119
we went to the they had the documentary

1375
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:37,440
on

1376
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:41,680
you know took those pictures and

1377
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,200
they were the most unassuming po dump

1378
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,960
people you would ever want to meet right

1379
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:49,119
and these are not the kinds of people

1380
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,079
that were

1381
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,160
decide to put some elaborate hoax

1382
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,240
together for publicity purposes or just

1383
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:56,000
sell a book i just doesn't it doesn't

1384
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:56,720
add up

1385
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,400
right so yes there are people that said

1386
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,000
oh yeah he pulled a hoax or not so

1387
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:05,119
but again though it's those incidences

1388
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,760
that you're like

1389
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:08,960
hmm that makes you wonder right and

1390
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:12,079
and it's it's usually the simplest you

1391
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,640
know the

1392
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:15,680
the the um

1393
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,800
least elaborate of the experiences that

1394
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:20,319
i find the most believable and

1395
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
compelling

1396
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,599
not not these kind of deep grand

1397
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,880
conspiracies that i

1398
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,280
that i feel are better at at uh getting

1399
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,400
people riled up and

1400
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,880
and whatnot but that's just my personal

1401
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,520
opinion

1402
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,000
yeah no i think it's a very um

1403
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,520
insightful opinion because

1404
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,440
i mean i i've heard you in interviews

1405
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,599
talk about betty and barney hill as well

1406
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,119
and this is another

1407
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,359
scenario another one yeah there's just

1408
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,960
so normal people

1409
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:47,520
you know everyday people claiming these

1410
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,000
things

1411
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,160
and um they don't want the publicity

1412
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:52,000
they didn't want anyone to know about it

1413
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,800
except

1414
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,640
possibly the air force you know to

1415
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,640
figure out what the hell it was so

1416
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,200
yeah i think you're right the more

1417
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,960
people in walks of life

1418
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,280
i've spoken to so many different people

1419
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,599
law enforcement teachers

1420
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:08,079
clergy whatever they're all claiming

1421
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,280
these things so

1422
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,000
these aren't kooks and cranks and you

1423
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,440
know the crazy people as

1424
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,040
we we've sort of talked about what carl

1425
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:20,000
could become in his obsession but um

1426
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,480
yeah

1427
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,000
it's it's fascinating i think you're

1428
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,400
right the simpler these uh

1429
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:27,040
people are and less layered conspiracy

1430
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,160
theory the better

1431
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,160
yeah i mean it's like the the air force

1432
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,520
video recently of like

1433
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,160
the so-called tic-tac you know ufo and

1434
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,040
you you hear the guys off camera

1435
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,960
you know witnessing this thing rotating

1436
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,319
in the sky you know

1437
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,119
off the you know off the starboard side

1438
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:44,960
of their jet and

1439
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,599
and uh one of the i think it was the

1440
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,359
flight captain or whatever was doing

1441
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,720
the panel at uh mcminimus uh festival as

1442
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,839
well and

1443
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:56,000
um and he says yeah we were we were

1444
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,280
watching this thing

1445
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,359
and it was defying the law of physics

1446
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,680
it's like okay these are trained pilots

1447
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:03,359
the last thing that they probably want

1448
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,640
to do is be perceived as crazy ufo

1449
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,960
kooks in their career right in their in

1450
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,760
their profession

1451
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,800
not not a good look for them but

1452
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:15,040
there it is on the screen on on the

1453
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,160
fleer radar

1454
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,839
and and and then off off camera you know

1455
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,839
play-by-play describing this thing so

1456
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,000
that's you know is it some

1457
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,960
terrestrial based probe from russia

1458
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,520
could be

1459
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,800
i guess there's the technology is

1460
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,760
constantly surprising me uh but it's

1461
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,040
those events that are

1462
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,960
that aren't easily defined but are also

1463
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,160
the simplest

1464
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:40,240
ones um that that i find the most

1465
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,200
compelling

1466
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,800
well kind of um i could keep you here

1467
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:44,720
for hours dan but we won't do that to

1468
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,119
you

1469
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,480
uh

1470
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,400
moving back to filming you know we

1471
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,760
mentioned joshua tree

1472
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,440
and some of these really cool places you

1473
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,800
shot in um

1474
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:57,040
so working with your cast and crew which

1475
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,160
i assume is

1476
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,680
rather minimal when you're making a film

1477
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,079
like this uh did anyone have

1478
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,079
any personal stories to share with you

1479
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,880
about ufos aliens paranormal

1480
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,680
i mean no one nothing overt that anyone

1481
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,280
came up to or unless they did i

1482
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,319
i was so wrapped up in filming

1483
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,079
when you're not the other i mean a lot

1484
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:18,079
of what was so cool about what we were

1485
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,200
doing especially

1486
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,880
during principal was you know we were

1487
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,960
all sort of practically living out in

1488
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,839
the desert for

1489
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,880
three weeks um and i would kind of give

1490
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,160
these light shows because i brought my

1491
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,760
rv out there i just camped out there

1492
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,400
on set and i brought this green laser

1493
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,920
with me i like to point stars out in

1494
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:35,599
constellations and stuff like that and

1495
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,160
you know we

1496
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,400
we'd all after we'd wrap excuse me after

1497
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,839
we'd wrapped for the day

1498
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,599
we'd sit down have a few beers and you

1499
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,960
know we would like look at strange

1500
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,960
things flying in the sky and you know oh

1501
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:46,720
that's a satellite but that we're not

1502
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,119
sure

1503
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,680
and and uh point out constellations and

1504
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,720
there were some great

1505
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,640
great times we had there and and you

1506
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,000
know a few people

1507
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,599
talk about their belief in and ufo and

1508
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,319
intelligent life but nothing specific

1509
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:01,440
that

1510
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,200
had mentioned to me certainly um you

1511
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,559
know some of the people that

1512
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,440
i we had interviewed through our travels

1513
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,880
like at some of the festivals and some

1514
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,960
of the vendors that michael interviewed

1515
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,880
um gave us some really compelling

1516
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,079
stories but

1517
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,520
um but yeah outside of uh you know some

1518
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,480
of our nightly

1519
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,559
you know light shows that we we got i

1520
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,599
mean the trouble

1521
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,680
is nowadays with a lot of the technology

1522
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,839
and you know more and more satellites in

1523
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:31,359
the sky it's getting harder and harder

1524
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,559
to discern

1525
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,640
what's man-made and what's not up in the

1526
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,319
sky i mean every it seems like every

1527
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,760
five minutes there's another satellite

1528
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:40,079
flying by and uh you know i had a

1529
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,680
strange occasion when you know a few

1530
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,280
years ago when i was out camping and i

1531
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,440
saw what i thought was a satellite and

1532
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,960
and it was flying overhead i knew it

1533
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,720
wasn't a plane it was just a solid white

1534
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:50,400
dot cruising over my head then it slowed

1535
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,880
down

1536
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,960
for a minute and then it sped up again i

1537
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,319
thought that was real

1538
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,480
um and just sort of doing the math on my

1539
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,480
head didn't seem like that would be the

1540
00:55:00,870 --> 00:55:00,400
behavior of a satellite or an airplane

1541
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:00,880
so

1542
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,559
much

1543
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:07,440
junk flying up there with drones and

1544
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:08,160
yeah

1545
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,280
it's hard to uh

1546
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,200
you know you have to be even more

1547
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,440
scrutinizing than ever before

1548
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,000
absolutely and i mean nowadays anyone

1549
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,920
can there's apps on your phone where you

1550
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:24,559
can put a ufo in your photo or video so

1551
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,280
i mean

1552
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,440
i know you're right once we once

1553
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,240
depended on videos and photographs as

1554
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,599
our evidence and now they're

1555
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,760
like like we said our worst enemy when

1556
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,200
it comes to this because

1557
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,520
it could just be a special effects

1558
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,520
artist it's kind of their calling card

1559
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,599
you know like look at what i did i got a

1560
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,839
million views hire me

1561
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,720
exactly i mean you go to youtube and and

1562
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,440
see

1563
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,160
uh you know any of these ufo videos it's

1564
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:52,079
cj work is pretty incredible some of

1565
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,480
them look

1566
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,520
really really realistic um but

1567
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,200
occasionally you know you you'll get

1568
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,359
something from a local news affiliate

1569
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,880
and they'll report something strange in

1570
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,240
the sky and they got video of it you

1571
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,319
know it's authentic and like oh that's

1572
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,440
interesting that's weird or you'll get

1573
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,440
you know a video like this from from you

1574
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,960
know the military

1575
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,520
that you know is not a fake there's no

1576
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,640
point in having it

1577
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:17,119
you know be inauthentic on from their

1578
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,480
perspective so

1579
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,079
occasionally we still get video of stuff

1580
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,000
that you can take as is

1581
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,839
at face value but you're right i mean

1582
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,079
most anything anybody that i

1583
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:29,040
say that i see sending me a youtube

1584
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,000
video of this amazing

1585
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,119
ufo i'm i immediately like uh

1586
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,319
my my my bs meter starts to go up real

1587
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,119
fast yeah same i always and then you

1588
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,280
know you watch it and then

1589
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,440
you're like oh okay well this youtube

1590
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:44,880
person only has

1591
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:47,920
one video up yeah yeah

1592
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,720
there's dramatic music behind the ufo

1593
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,680
exactly

1594
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,839
they took some time to make this thing

1595
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,799
the the bad

1596
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:57,440
the bad font graphics flying in and

1597
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,079
stuff yeah

1598
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,319
yeah that giveaway you have definitely

1599
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,559
done your research dad for sure

1600
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,000
um well i mean let's let's kind of end

1601
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,319
there in terms of um your research

1602
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,640
in researching these topics you know

1603
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,319
ever since you were a kid and

1604
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:15,119
now making a film about close encounters

1605
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,920
and whatnot

1606
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,160
what was the most rewarding thing you

1607
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,839
personally took away from the entire

1608
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:21,680
process of sky man

1609
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:25,520
i think i think for me

1610
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,799
you know as an artist you always want to

1611
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,240
make something

1612
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,720
um because you're putting so much energy

1613
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,799
and heart and soul into it into a

1614
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,359
project

1615
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,960
at least for me it's it's it's a

1616
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,200
multi-year process for me i mean i

1617
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:42,079
i typically will write and direct even

1618
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,480
shoot

1619
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,720
and edit all my own stuff so it's a it's

1620
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:46,079
an all-in

1621
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,079
endeavor and and to have people

1622
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,119
uh respond well to the end result

1623
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,000
is always incredibly rewarding i mean

1624
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:57,760
that's why you do it and you're trying

1625
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,319
to

1626
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:01,200
communicate and move people emotionally

1627
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:01,680
with

1628
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,960
this you know one supposed skill set you

1629
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,000
have

1630
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,720
and um and to you know we got great

1631
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:11,200
reviews from the new york times and indy

1632
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,640
wire and

1633
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,319
austin chronicle and a whole bunch of

1634
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,920
other big names out there and that's

1635
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,319
incredibly rewarding but even more than

1636
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,920
that just people like yourself

1637
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:22,720
especially like that that are that uh

1638
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,280
are

1639
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,760
kind of well versed in into the ufo kind

1640
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,480
of

1641
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,280
culture and subculture to say they

1642
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,720
really like the movie is is

1643
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,799
is a big reward so as an artist that's a

1644
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,480
big part of it and also

1645
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,960
it's just a person you know making a

1646
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,839
film

1647
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,280
sort of the way you want to make it with

1648
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,799
a bunch of people that you really like

1649
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,839
working with

1650
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,319
is also hugely rewarding it's you wish

1651
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,640
you could do it on every movie

1652
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,319
that would allow you to do that because

1653
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,000
it really is a big

1654
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:52,160
playground you're all in this sandbox

1655
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,119
literally

1656
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,960
um getting to make a movie out in the

1657
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:56,960
middle of the desert and just having a

1658
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,440
blast

1659
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,400
doing it and it shows that camaraderie

1660
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,839
the collaboration

1661
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,200
they're all trying to make something

1662
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,920
meaningful and it's it's just a great

1663
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,960
communal collaborative experience that

1664
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:10,880
that i wish everyone

1665
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,520
could could experience and that's also

1666
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,520
very rewarding so it's very very lucky

1667
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,119
to be able to do sky man and

1668
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,440
i i have to really thank my producer joe

1669
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,359
ristaine iwana who helped bring it all

1670
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,359
together as well as the actors

1671
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,400
you know um they just really delivered

1672
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:27,520
they just delivered

1673
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,280
110 well you know moving away from sky

1674
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,280
man and wrapping up here then

1675
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,720
i've read that you're actually working

1676
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,799
on some other really cool stuff with i

1677
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,480
horror so i was wondering could you tell

1678
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,400
us a little about what you're doing with

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00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,160
them and yeah what comes next for you as

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00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,599
a filmmaker

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00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,760
well we started this project called

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00:59:49,710 --> 00:59:47,520
black veil

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00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,720
it's uh you can check it out

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00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,040
blackvaleonline.com

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00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,040
and it is a short form

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00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,280
horror anthology series that we're

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01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,880
shooting in florida

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01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,720
where we're shooting before the pandemic

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01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,160
hit but um

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01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,920
we i've been wanting to do sort of a

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01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:08,319
a horror anthology series for quite a

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01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,119
while

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01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,520
but have been sort of searching for

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01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,440
something thematically to tie it all

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01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,680
together rather than just a bunch of

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01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,520
poorer shorts that really aren't

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01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,280
connected so

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01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,119
so i thought that was cool having grown

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01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,359
up in florida and my wife grew up in

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01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,319
mississippi and

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01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,040
being sort of a product of the south i

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01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,000
always thought southern

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01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,960
gothic culture was very spooky and

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01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,640
mysterious

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01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,359
and felt it would be cool to base a sort

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01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:37,760
of online series around that southern

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01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:38,640
gothic

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01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,079
aesthetic and so created this

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01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,119
this uh six episode series um

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01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:47,359
recruited the help of my friend jeffrey

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01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,880
reddick who is a writer

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01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:51,040
created the final destination uh

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01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,319
franchise and

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01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,640
uh you know i'd like to have him write

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01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,000
and direct one of the episodes we

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01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,640
also teamed up with danny mcbride who

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01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,000
did underworld

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01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,160
so he's writing and directing one of the

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01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,000
episodes we've got a great team of

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01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:06,000
really creative people in this kind of

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01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:06,720
horror

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01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,640
thriller space that um i had

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01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:13,680
hoped to do a you know season one

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01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,359
short films um that would be really

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01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,559
high quality for uh the internet so we

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01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,559
shot the first episode which i

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01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,960
i directed and um a friend of mine chris

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01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:25,680
peckham paul

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01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,880
wrote and uh so the pilot episode

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01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,640
has been shot and i'm editing it as we

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01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,880
speak so that's in the can

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01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,799
three other episodes that we have come

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01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,000
pretty much ready to go

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01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,640
once we get the green light to continue

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01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,480
shooting in florida so we're

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01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,480
but right now it's anybody's gas we'll

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01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,480
we'll see how it all pans out but

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01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:47,119
that's something we are very excited

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01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,400
about we think it's going to be very

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01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,920
cool and once we are able to roll

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01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,160
cameras again we'll get back into it

1742
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,319
awesome yeah i i understand man the

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01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:56,240
world's kind of been put on hold

1744
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,079
right now but um yeah it's it's

1745
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,839
hopefully there's a glimmer of hope that

1746
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,839
all the film industry can get back out

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01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,480
there

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01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:07,039
and make stuff like you are because i

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01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,839
mean

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01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:10,480
the human element you gave to this movie

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01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,119
i think

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01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:13,440
speaks volumes and it's something that

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01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,160
has

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01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,640
lacked in a lot of these ways that

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01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,240
experiences are

1756
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,000
portrayed and you know my personal

1757
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,440
beliefs aside

1758
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:24,079
um i i feel for these people they're

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01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,039
they're

1760
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,280
some of them are very traumatized some

1761
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,520
reject it in their lives some embrace it

1762
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:31,039
but at the end of the day like it comes

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01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,920
down to their

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01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,000
personal journey and i think you just

1765
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:35,760
you did such a good job putting the

1766
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,160
microscope on that for people so um

1767
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,200
yeah with that being said where and how

1768
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,799
can we see sky man

1769
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,799
well it's it's still playing in some

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01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:46,240
drive-ins i think throughout the

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01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,200
southeast

1772
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,839
um studio movie grill you can catch it

1773
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:52,160
on the big screen in florida right now

1774
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,000
um but it is available on vod amazon

1775
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,400
and voodoo and all the kind of the usual

1776
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,160
suspects

1777
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,680
but primarily amazon uh i think vimeo as

1778
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:04,880
well so

1779
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:07,039
um so it's available right now as of the

1780
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,319
seventh it's it's been

1781
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,039
in wide domestic release i think it goes

1782
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,520
into foreign territories here soon

1783
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:15,440
um but yeah you can you can stream it

1784
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,559
right now

1785
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,400
awesome and you know without giving

1786
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:20,160
anything away the last few minutes of

1787
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,119
the film dan

1788
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,119
uh you hit it out of the park just like

1789
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,280
with blair witch so congrats

1790
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,520
on the film dan and i can't thank you

1791
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,880
enough for coming on somewhere in the

1792
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,160
skies oh

1793
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:32,400
really appreciate it really enjoyed it

1794
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,670
that's it for this week's episode again

1795
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,280
you can watch sky man

1796
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:41,359
right now on all major streaming

1797
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,559
services

1798
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,920
if you haven't checked out the summer on

1799
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:46,000
the skies website yet we just had a

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01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,799
complete

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01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:49,119
overhaul and design done by the

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01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,160
brilliant mike

1803
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:53,039
rezzo it's beyond anything i could have

1804
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:54,000
ever imagined

1805
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,599
so head on over and let me know what you

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01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,520
think somewhere in the

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01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:00,559
dot com there you can also find all past

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01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,280
episodes

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01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,480
articles news and a direct contact link

1810
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,440
to me

1811
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,520
again that's somewhere in the skies dot

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01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,799
com

1813
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,280
we are steadily climbing the steep

1814
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:13,599
mountain of being a featured podcast

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01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:17,119
on apple podcasts the largest podcasting

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01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,680
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01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,319
in the world so if you could please take

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01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,400
just a few moments to subscribe

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01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,640
rate and review somewhere in the skies

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01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,319
on apple podcasts

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01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:29,039
or wherever your podcatcher allows it it

1822
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,559
helps us gain visibility

1823
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,520
and find new listeners we're on twitter

1824
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:34,880
at summerskies and

1825
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,640
instagram at summersguyspod and lastly

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01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,240
i want to thank all our essential

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01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,760
workers out there

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01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,680
and all of you who've helped us get

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01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,760
through these deeply challenging times

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01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:48,240
in our world i'm wishing all of you my

1831
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:49,359
very best

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01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,640
be safe be well and remember keep your

1833
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,760
feet on the ground

1834
01:05:11,500 --> 01:04:56,000
but never stop searching somewhere in

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01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:16,560
[Music]

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01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:17,700
[Applause]

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01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,839
[Music]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:43,039
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